Ok, now. You have no issues with goetic sigils, voodoun veves, skull-headed dapper gentlemen, or skeletal succubi, but an inverse pentacle is bugging you? I mean, I'm not trying to argue with you that you shouldn't necessarily have a problem, but the rest of the deck is so stridently left-hand-path in some respects, and this is the first time that fact has bothered you?
You've got a point. Honestly, though, I think my issue is that while the other aspects are left-hand path as you say, this isn't -- it's not even a perversion of something on the right-hand -- it's taking unrelated things -- witchcraft and Christianity and tying them together when there isn't a connection. LaVey was an idiot.
Apart from my own issues -- which are mine and no one is bound by them of course -- it might rub certain people who might otherwise be interested in picking up a copy the wrong way. It'd be enough to keep me from picking up a copy, for instance, since the annoyance factor would come at me whenever I picked up the deck.
Ok, Brent, I think you may need to either do some self-examination or some more research, especially when making commentary like this, as you're coming off as either:
A: Someone who knows almost nothing about Left-Hand-Path occultism, or who has researched it only from a rather reactionary RHP source.
B: Someone with serious trigger issues regarding LHP/Satanism in general.
here's why:
1- The above pentacle is not A LaVeyan Satanist pentacle- note the lack of the Hebrew inscription "Leviathan" and the lack of a goat's head inscribed in the star portion? Also note the smaller secondary pentacles at each point.
2- There are more brands of Satanism and of the Left-hand-path in general than just LaVey.
3- Inverse pentacles were used long before modern satanism existed. See Eliphas Levi, use of the baphomet sigil, possibly (but not likely) the knights Templar, John Dee, and others- it's use as a modern Satanist symbol is a cheap grab at ownership, much like european wicca's grab of a symbol used since Mesopotamian days.
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:32 am (UTC)Ok, now. You have no issues with goetic sigils, voodoun veves, skull-headed dapper gentlemen, or skeletal succubi, but an inverse pentacle is bugging you? I mean, I'm not trying to argue with you that you shouldn't necessarily have a problem, but the rest of the deck is so stridently left-hand-path in some respects, and this is the first time that fact has bothered you?
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Date: 2010-01-29 07:46 am (UTC)You've got a point. Honestly, though, I think my issue is that while the other aspects are left-hand path as you say, this isn't -- it's not even a perversion of something on the right-hand -- it's taking unrelated things -- witchcraft and Christianity and tying them together when there isn't a connection. LaVey was an idiot.
Apart from my own issues -- which are mine and no one is bound by them of course -- it might rub certain people who might otherwise be interested in picking up a copy the wrong way. It'd be enough to keep me from picking up a copy, for instance, since the annoyance factor would come at me whenever I picked up the deck.
your mileage may vary, of course.
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Date: 2010-01-29 04:06 pm (UTC)A: Someone who knows almost nothing about Left-Hand-Path occultism, or who has researched it only from a rather reactionary RHP source.
B: Someone with serious trigger issues regarding LHP/Satanism in general.
here's why:
1- The above pentacle is not A LaVeyan Satanist pentacle- note the lack of the Hebrew inscription "Leviathan" and the lack of a goat's head inscribed in the star portion? Also note the smaller secondary pentacles at each point.
2- There are more brands of Satanism and of the Left-hand-path in general than just LaVey.
3- Inverse pentacles were used long before modern satanism existed. See Eliphas Levi, use of the baphomet sigil, possibly (but not likely) the knights Templar, John Dee, and others- it's use as a modern Satanist symbol is a cheap grab at ownership, much like european wicca's grab of a symbol used since Mesopotamian days.